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		<title>By: Vikas Nigam</title>
		<link>http://blog.sqlauthority.com/2009/12/18/sql-server-differences-in-vulnerability-between-oracle-and-sql-server/#comment-408976</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vikas Nigam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2013 14:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Being working in an environment where I work with both SQL Server and Oracle, I&#039;ve to say Oracle is full of bugs. I&#039;ve far more worse experience with Oracle than SQL Server. 

Oracle patching process is a nightmare. The support guys don&#039;t know what they&#039;re talking about.

There was this ASM bug which reboot a server(10g RAC node) at random times. They provided a workaround(procedure to execute at every hour through job) but when it came to providing a patch they asked to upgrade to 11g because the patch is not available for 10g.

Right.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being working in an environment where I work with both SQL Server and Oracle, I&#8217;ve to say Oracle is full of bugs. I&#8217;ve far more worse experience with Oracle than SQL Server. </p>
<p>Oracle patching process is a nightmare. The support guys don&#8217;t know what they&#8217;re talking about.</p>
<p>There was this ASM bug which reboot a server(10g RAC node) at random times. They provided a workaround(procedure to execute at every hour through job) but when it came to providing a patch they asked to upgrade to 11g because the patch is not available for 10g.</p>
<p>Right.</p>
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		<title>By: mATE</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mATE]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 18:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mate i agree you know sql..But do you know how easily xp is hackable..so security this is a major loose poinT  ..I know there are lot of your family members who claim to think that sql is better than oracle..But let see first thing ur os...a maor weak point..sql does it run in unix no....so it is not a secure database...all major database administrators use unix..have to know..unix..and you know all other dbas those who dont use unix are all baby dba...
Unix is powerful,stable ,shell script damm powerful...
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Windows are for babies...and ur family members.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mate i agree you know sql..But do you know how easily xp is hackable..so security this is a major loose poinT  ..I know there are lot of your family members who claim to think that sql is better than oracle..But let see first thing ur os&#8230;a maor weak point..sql does it run in unix no&#8230;.so it is not a secure database&#8230;all major database administrators use unix..have to know..unix..and you know all other dbas those who dont use unix are all baby dba&#8230;<br />
Unix is powerful,stable ,shell script damm powerful&#8230;<br />
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<p>Windows are for babies&#8230;and ur family members.</p>
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		<title>By: Vicky</title>
		<link>http://blog.sqlauthority.com/2009/12/18/sql-server-differences-in-vulnerability-between-oracle-and-sql-server/#comment-72935</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vicky]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 May 2010 22:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello Mr.Pinal,

I really appreciate your articles.

But NOT this article, i do not see any comment by any others picking out negatives on either SQL Server or Oracle, they supported both of them equally.

But your article seems like you don&#039;t want others to use Oracle coz lot of patches are being released to fix bugs.  Thats not good, instead of pinting out all this you might bring out the advantages of SQL Server rather than saying that Oracle have many bugs and hence they release so many number of patches.

Your statement &quot;SQL Server is consistently more secure and much less prone to errors and bugs than Oracle DB&quot; does show that you don&#039;t want people to use Oracle.

Its not because i dont like SQL, am a DBA, i use and treat both of them equally.

Appreciate the others comments on this article.

No offenses Mr. Pinal, i have gone thru many of your nice articles and never found anything more biasing than this one.

I am sorry if i said something wrong.

Thanks.
Vicky]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Mr.Pinal,</p>
<p>I really appreciate your articles.</p>
<p>But NOT this article, i do not see any comment by any others picking out negatives on either SQL Server or Oracle, they supported both of them equally.</p>
<p>But your article seems like you don&#8217;t want others to use Oracle coz lot of patches are being released to fix bugs.  Thats not good, instead of pinting out all this you might bring out the advantages of SQL Server rather than saying that Oracle have many bugs and hence they release so many number of patches.</p>
<p>Your statement &#8220;SQL Server is consistently more secure and much less prone to errors and bugs than Oracle DB&#8221; does show that you don&#8217;t want people to use Oracle.</p>
<p>Its not because i dont like SQL, am a DBA, i use and treat both of them equally.</p>
<p>Appreciate the others comments on this article.</p>
<p>No offenses Mr. Pinal, i have gone thru many of your nice articles and never found anything more biasing than this one.</p>
<p>I am sorry if i said something wrong.</p>
<p>Thanks.<br />
Vicky</p>
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		<title>By: Marko Parkkola</title>
		<link>http://blog.sqlauthority.com/2009/12/18/sql-server-differences-in-vulnerability-between-oracle-and-sql-server/#comment-61683</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marko Parkkola]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 07:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi,

Sorry but I really have to ask you to elaborate your statement #2. I&#039;ve done a lot of work with sockets and threads, written some articles about socket interface, TCP/IP and threading, written many socket based servers and services. I can&#039;t see why threads would be heavier in this regard than processes.

With processes you end up with process context switches which is a heavy operation. Also inter-process communication is not a simple thing. With threads you are inside a single process space which means no context switches. Of course there are calls to kernel when dealing with mutexes and other synchoronization objects but so is in processing model also.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>Sorry but I really have to ask you to elaborate your statement #2. I&#8217;ve done a lot of work with sockets and threads, written some articles about socket interface, TCP/IP and threading, written many socket based servers and services. I can&#8217;t see why threads would be heavier in this regard than processes.</p>
<p>With processes you end up with process context switches which is a heavy operation. Also inter-process communication is not a simple thing. With threads you are inside a single process space which means no context switches. Of course there are calls to kernel when dealing with mutexes and other synchoronization objects but so is in processing model also.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Li</title>
		<link>http://blog.sqlauthority.com/2009/12/18/sql-server-differences-in-vulnerability-between-oracle-and-sql-server/#comment-61656</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin Li]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 18:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I treat Oracle and SQL Server as different tool in my tool box. Some of the fundamental differences between Oracle and SQL Server
1)	Oracle has SCN (System Change Number) on the header of all data blocks.  Before Oracle modify any data block, the before image will be store in the UNDO tablespace or Rollback Segments (RBS). If a user starts a query at 4:00 pm, not matter how long the query will run and how much the data has changed before he gets the result,  he will guarantee get the true result as 4:00 pm. Other benefit with this architecture is that writers will not block readers.  In SQL server, at least in earlier version, if a user updating a record and has not commit or rollback, it will block others who wants read the row.  
2)	Oracle is multi process while SQL server is multi thread. Oracle database will scale better (support more users) with multi process on UNIX or Linux. Windows server are getting better in recent year but the overhead for maintaining the thread for all the user connection is there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I treat Oracle and SQL Server as different tool in my tool box. Some of the fundamental differences between Oracle and SQL Server<br />
1)	Oracle has SCN (System Change Number) on the header of all data blocks.  Before Oracle modify any data block, the before image will be store in the UNDO tablespace or Rollback Segments (RBS). If a user starts a query at 4:00 pm, not matter how long the query will run and how much the data has changed before he gets the result,  he will guarantee get the true result as 4:00 pm. Other benefit with this architecture is that writers will not block readers.  In SQL server, at least in earlier version, if a user updating a record and has not commit or rollback, it will block others who wants read the row.<br />
2)	Oracle is multi process while SQL server is multi thread. Oracle database will scale better (support more users) with multi process on UNIX or Linux. Windows server are getting better in recent year but the overhead for maintaining the thread for all the user connection is there.</p>
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		<title>By: Ritesh Modi</title>
		<link>http://blog.sqlauthority.com/2009/12/18/sql-server-differences-in-vulnerability-between-oracle-and-sql-server/#comment-59792</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ritesh Modi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 11:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Pinal,
Yes it is very useful for the person who want to select any one technology to work. they can compare to make any conclusion.

Regards,

Ritesh Modi]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Pinal,<br />
Yes it is very useful for the person who want to select any one technology to work. they can compare to make any conclusion.</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Ritesh Modi</p>
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		<title>By: Venkatesan Prabu</title>
		<link>http://blog.sqlauthority.com/2009/12/18/sql-server-differences-in-vulnerability-between-oracle-and-sql-server/#comment-59708</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Venkatesan Prabu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 19:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pinal,

  Its really a fantastic article. Keep going.

Regards,
Venkatesan Prabu .J]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pinal,</p>
<p>  Its really a fantastic article. Keep going.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Venkatesan Prabu .J</p>
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		<title>By: Malathi</title>
		<link>http://blog.sqlauthority.com/2009/12/18/sql-server-differences-in-vulnerability-between-oracle-and-sql-server/#comment-58920</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Malathi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 19:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have worked in 3 places which have had both Oracle and SQL Server. Oracle DBAs as Brian said are more academic, understand that what is worth learning is often times hard to learn, and are more about correctness than &#039;what works&#039;. Two major differences - one, it takes quite a bit of hard work/calls to Oracle support to figure out an issue with Oracle (there are many :) but unlike SQL Server it is rare that you can just google an answer or find it in their help. Second, Oracle DBAs earn a LOT more than SQL Server guys!! I think this is a huge and important difference since it takes a lot of effort to learn Oracle. I appreciate MS making SQL easy to learn, GUI friendly all of that but there are many SQL Server DBAs who just learn GUI and think they know the product - I worked once even with a DBA manager who did not know 3 rules of normalisation!! I am not sure about Oracle also though but in the SQL Server world knowledge sadly is not valued by experience and technical expertise but by a variety of hyped factors - ability to spout googled knowledge, UG leads, MVP titles (no offence to these titles and have one myself but it has no relation to a person&#039;s technical expertise) and various hype. In other words you really have to strip the person of all the hype to find out if the knowledge underneath is worthy of respect and in my experience this is far easier in the Oracle world. Thank you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have worked in 3 places which have had both Oracle and SQL Server. Oracle DBAs as Brian said are more academic, understand that what is worth learning is often times hard to learn, and are more about correctness than &#8216;what works&#8217;. Two major differences &#8211; one, it takes quite a bit of hard work/calls to Oracle support to figure out an issue with Oracle (there are many :) but unlike SQL Server it is rare that you can just google an answer or find it in their help. Second, Oracle DBAs earn a LOT more than SQL Server guys!! I think this is a huge and important difference since it takes a lot of effort to learn Oracle. I appreciate MS making SQL easy to learn, GUI friendly all of that but there are many SQL Server DBAs who just learn GUI and think they know the product &#8211; I worked once even with a DBA manager who did not know 3 rules of normalisation!! I am not sure about Oracle also though but in the SQL Server world knowledge sadly is not valued by experience and technical expertise but by a variety of hyped factors &#8211; ability to spout googled knowledge, UG leads, MVP titles (no offence to these titles and have one myself but it has no relation to a person&#8217;s technical expertise) and various hype. In other words you really have to strip the person of all the hype to find out if the knowledge underneath is worthy of respect and in my experience this is far easier in the Oracle world. Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Vijaya Kadiyala</title>
		<link>http://blog.sqlauthority.com/2009/12/18/sql-server-differences-in-vulnerability-between-oracle-and-sql-server/#comment-58820</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vijaya Kadiyala]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 23:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi

Its a very good topic and each one one us has different opinion and also every one should take this in +ve mode.

I will not say which one is better here. Coz each of these are best on their own. 

Based on my consulting exprience in US and UK, Database servers are decided based on the following factors:

1) The application which is used to access the tables. If  the front-end application is in .net or any of the microsoft products then default database server is SQL Server. If the front-end application is in Java then default database server is oracle.

2) selecting database server is entirely based on the big picture of enterprise architecture. if the firm is using SQL Server right from the begining then they preffer to go with SQL Server than changing the whole architecture. 

I know these are not the only factors but these are the two answers i get normally when i review the architecture.

On the other-hand, what i have seen now a days, people are looking more towards vertica or Sybase IQ or Netezza. which are manily for datawarehouse applications. So i think in  the next 2 to 3 years there would be a huge changes to various database architectures.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi</p>
<p>Its a very good topic and each one one us has different opinion and also every one should take this in +ve mode.</p>
<p>I will not say which one is better here. Coz each of these are best on their own. </p>
<p>Based on my consulting exprience in US and UK, Database servers are decided based on the following factors:</p>
<p>1) The application which is used to access the tables. If  the front-end application is in .net or any of the microsoft products then default database server is SQL Server. If the front-end application is in Java then default database server is oracle.</p>
<p>2) selecting database server is entirely based on the big picture of enterprise architecture. if the firm is using SQL Server right from the begining then they preffer to go with SQL Server than changing the whole architecture. </p>
<p>I know these are not the only factors but these are the two answers i get normally when i review the architecture.</p>
<p>On the other-hand, what i have seen now a days, people are looking more towards vertica or Sybase IQ or Netezza. which are manily for datawarehouse applications. So i think in  the next 2 to 3 years there would be a huge changes to various database architectures.</p>
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		<title>By: pinaldave</title>
		<link>http://blog.sqlauthority.com/2009/12/18/sql-server-differences-in-vulnerability-between-oracle-and-sql-server/#comment-58814</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pinaldave]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 18:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Brian,
I totally appreciate your point of view and your opinion is very valuable.

As you described it is point of view and as long as we find it positive in every element.

Kind Regards,
Pinal]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Brian,<br />
I totally appreciate your point of view and your opinion is very valuable.</p>
<p>As you described it is point of view and as long as we find it positive in every element.</p>
<p>Kind Regards,<br />
Pinal</p>
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		<title>By: Geetika</title>
		<link>http://blog.sqlauthority.com/2009/12/18/sql-server-differences-in-vulnerability-between-oracle-and-sql-server/#comment-58812</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geetika]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 18:03:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very informative topic. I had been hearing that Oracle is better than SQL Server but now I understand the details. Thanks so much Pinal, for this article.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very informative topic. I had been hearing that Oracle is better than SQL Server but now I understand the details. Thanks so much Pinal, for this article.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Tkatch</title>
		<link>http://blog.sqlauthority.com/2009/12/18/sql-server-differences-in-vulnerability-between-oracle-and-sql-server/#comment-58810</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian Tkatch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 15:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pinal,

I prefer Oracle. Not because it&#039;s more stable (i haven&#039;t had an issue with SQL Server), but because

1)  i like the command line interface better SQL Server&#039;s is not as featured

2) Oracle doesn&#039;t deprecate non-ANSI syntax.

3) More functions. For example, many more windowing functions, movable windows, hierarchical queries, 

4) My impression about how the community responds in Microsoft is &quot;use this because it works&quot;. In Oracle its &quot;use this because it&#039;s correct.&quot; I prefer the latter approach.

5) If i see one product with 100 reported bugs and one with 10, i&#039;d question if there are 100 in the one because it is worse, or 10 in the other because they don&#039;t report everything. Or because it isn&#039;t as well tested. Or because people are happy with workarounds that just work.

6) Oracle longevity has proven the product. SQL Server until recently was putting in basic functionality. More than one million records in a TABLE and using multiple schemata come to mind. With 2005 and 2008 SQL Server has most of the basics, but it comes with a feeling of &quot;ok, we&#039;re new at this&quot;.

7) The SQL Server blogs are mostly about &quot;here&#039;s a neat way to do this&quot; and &quot;this is faster in some scenarios&quot;. I think &quot;fun&quot;.

The Oracle blogs are mostly informative, &quot;here&#039;s how this works&quot; and &quot;Oracle uses c(a+b) for this calculation&quot;. I think &quot;informative&quot;.

Both have both though. This is just an impression of the majority, that i have  after reading each for a couple years.

--

I am using SQL Server for my job, and it works well. It does things Oracle does not like CROSS APPLY and TOP with are really convenient and useful. When asked for a comparison on our reporting project, i keep telling people SQL Server 2005 (we&#039;re probably moving to 2008 next year) will do the job, and we don&#039;t even need the data warehouse because SQL Server will handle the job.

So, i hope you don&#039;t think i&#039;m saying SQL Server is bad. I simply prefer the Oracle model (if that&#039;s the right word, or &quot;paradigm&quot;).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pinal,</p>
<p>I prefer Oracle. Not because it&#8217;s more stable (i haven&#8217;t had an issue with SQL Server), but because</p>
<p>1)  i like the command line interface better SQL Server&#8217;s is not as featured</p>
<p>2) Oracle doesn&#8217;t deprecate non-ANSI syntax.</p>
<p>3) More functions. For example, many more windowing functions, movable windows, hierarchical queries, </p>
<p>4) My impression about how the community responds in Microsoft is &#8220;use this because it works&#8221;. In Oracle its &#8220;use this because it&#8217;s correct.&#8221; I prefer the latter approach.</p>
<p>5) If i see one product with 100 reported bugs and one with 10, i&#8217;d question if there are 100 in the one because it is worse, or 10 in the other because they don&#8217;t report everything. Or because it isn&#8217;t as well tested. Or because people are happy with workarounds that just work.</p>
<p>6) Oracle longevity has proven the product. SQL Server until recently was putting in basic functionality. More than one million records in a TABLE and using multiple schemata come to mind. With 2005 and 2008 SQL Server has most of the basics, but it comes with a feeling of &#8220;ok, we&#8217;re new at this&#8221;.</p>
<p>7) The SQL Server blogs are mostly about &#8220;here&#8217;s a neat way to do this&#8221; and &#8220;this is faster in some scenarios&#8221;. I think &#8220;fun&#8221;.</p>
<p>The Oracle blogs are mostly informative, &#8220;here&#8217;s how this works&#8221; and &#8220;Oracle uses c(a+b) for this calculation&#8221;. I think &#8220;informative&#8221;.</p>
<p>Both have both though. This is just an impression of the majority, that i have  after reading each for a couple years.</p>
<p>&#8211;</p>
<p>I am using SQL Server for my job, and it works well. It does things Oracle does not like CROSS APPLY and TOP with are really convenient and useful. When asked for a comparison on our reporting project, i keep telling people SQL Server 2005 (we&#8217;re probably moving to 2008 next year) will do the job, and we don&#8217;t even need the data warehouse because SQL Server will handle the job.</p>
<p>So, i hope you don&#8217;t think i&#8217;m saying SQL Server is bad. I simply prefer the Oracle model (if that&#8217;s the right word, or &#8220;paradigm&#8221;).</p>
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		<title>By: Ritesh Shah</title>
		<link>http://blog.sqlauthority.com/2009/12/18/sql-server-differences-in-vulnerability-between-oracle-and-sql-server/#comment-58793</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ritesh Shah]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[you hammer on the right topic sir..... great to know all these things. really very interesting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you hammer on the right topic sir&#8230;.. great to know all these things. really very interesting.</p>
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